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    Post Become an mmobay middleman ONLY $100!!!!!!!

    [Edit: Now you can do it for free, if you meet their requirements]
    This post shows that you can't take a community and fundamentally change its core structure or values, people will reject your leadership if you do that.

    Today, mmobay added a prominently located and professional looking 'Middleman Services' logo.

    Middleman Services? Great! - Let's take a look...



    Notice the part that's highlighted

    -Users will be charged a monthly fee ($100...)

    My reaction was: WTFJesusss!!
    And that's pretty much the notion of the first reply and probably all replies there-after.

    This guy knows how to start a jaw-dropping thread, but that's because he knows absolutely nothing about the industry, the culture, the expectations, or even the user base for forum trade as godfathered in by Marcus and other leaders that have been here for years.

    Just so you know, kiddies... it will always be FREE to be a middleman at rpgreseller. (um, and every other forum trade community, that's standard)

    $100 per month.. Yeah-right.

    I think that far-flung ideas like the above post make it clear that Mike believed that he was going to have runaway profits from the acquisition of Markeedragon even though having a free trade forum is in direct competition with the idea of running an auction site that charges and appears to be set on one day becoming like playerauctions.

    1. 50k invested. The auction counts are hardly going up (bust)
    2. Thousands is being spent on a professional SEO campaign but.. (see #3)
    3. User activity is a shadow of what it was on the original MD
    4. Forum mismanagement is destroying what benefits should have happened from Marcus' 301 redirects, etc. (e.g. being down too long during transitions, changing stuff before it is tested to be in working condition, poor organization... you get da picture)
    He probably will profit in the end from ad revenues, but I know someone personally that's ran an ad and wasn't satisfied with the results.


    Just so you know, I fought for you guys. With vultures circling to cannibalize MD, I stood up for the community and was ready to lay down 50k of my own money to make it happen. I also offered a lot of incentives that nobody else was:

    • All existing mods stay
    • Mods get paid from ad revenues after ads start running. MD made up to 20k per month on old forum software, rpgreseller could have probably done the same thing and then there would be a few people that didn't have to go to their day jobs anymore.) - I offered to back it in writing.
    • Mods have the first and last word on organization, style, and what posts would be removed in order to make home feel like home

    I know that the body of work that is 'MD' is the result of years of dedication. It represents businesses that are now losing customers and struggling, it represents mods that have strong friendships online and have irreversibly given their lifeblood and soul to something digital. You can't be separated from something like that without seeing it as a serious loss of self, achievement, purpose, and even identity.

    In the end Marcus simply had to keep his word out of moral obligation and responsibility (and maybe friendship). A deal's a deal. The promise was that if Mike could hurry up and finally pay, the deal was done.

    When Mike heard I was ready to go with my payment and Marcus was tired of waiting for him, Mike braved a Blizzard while sick to finally make it to the bank and drop 50k on the godfather.

    The rest is the makings of RMT history which has yet to be written.
    Good luck to us all.

    Open invitation to middlemen: I'm up to 30 thousand page views per month now, and I'm going to up that by doing SEO and improving the forums.

    My vision is that once ad revenues get going, we'll have paid mods, as well as paid middlemen. (Yup, I'm already paying people for anything that results in reputation points, and I plan on giving rep for each trade which is middle manned.)


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    Re: Become an mmobay middleman ONLY $100!!!!!!!

    Yesterday price dropped to $60. Today all posts were removed and price is $50 now. I brought up the point (post deleted on MM thread) that the fee can't be too low or it would be a conflict of interest with their auctions and their $3 verification (No phone call or ID sent in) to sell on it.

    MM on EGS does around 90 transactions a month. So if mmobay can produce half of that, you should be able to cover $50/month. You know what really kills this? TrustWho. lol Because if TW claims 99.7% fraud rate what is your $50/month MM going to add to 99.7%?

    I asked if my 200 feedback on EGS counted for the 50 mmobay feedback, and the admin said no. So even I can't MM until I get 50. Surely I couldn't have faked 200 feedback and be TW verified.
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    Go Brtev!! Go Community!, and Go Mike too. (It shows leadership merit and open mindedness to be flexible and follow popular advice.)


    I didn't know MMObay was doing a $3 verification to sell. By that, do you mean that all sellers are going to have to drop a few bucks before they post an offer in the forum? - (It appears to have worked for real poor) although I know that 'free' has more mass appeal and is a better standard for start ups.

    My understanding is that a lot of MMs do it for free as a community service and as a way to get rep, rather than just as a way to make $20-30 each time. e.g. I've seen people offer it for half that. Some of them simply just want the recognition of being a valued member.

    In an exclusive community, I could see MMing being something that could even become a full time job if the price was fixed and there were few MMs. Charging by the month for the right could make it highly exclusive.

    50 native feedback to do it seems awfully high. One thing that's a big problem is that feedback isn't native. Hopefully, we'll see Trustwho adopted at all the major forums. I'm going to give Marcus some time to breath and relax before asking about how to integrate here at rpgreseller. EGS is supportive, MMObay already has it. That's a good step in the right direction.

    200 FB on EGS, that's really high. Congratulations on the achievement!

    90MM per month isn't bad at all. That's approaching the ability to just do that as a full time job if the pay is coming through. I've heard that there were some payment issues at EGS and some MMs backed out of the business.

    I knew you had a lot of experience, but not that much.
    Any feedback on how MMing ought to be done? I haven't established a system for that, and I'm still setting up the site for traffic but I believe I'll one day have a tipping point and it'll all happen... what is the ideal way to set up MM at a community like this?


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    Re: Become an mmobay middleman ONLY $100!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by rpgreseller.com View Post
    Go Brtev!! Go Community!, and Go Mike too. (It shows leadership merit and open mindedness to be flexible and follow popular advice.)


    I didn't know MMObay was doing a $3 verification to sell. By that, do you mean that all sellers are going to have to drop a few bucks before they post an offer in the forum? - (It appears to have worked for real poor) although I know that 'free' has more mass appeal and is a better standard for start ups.

    My understanding is that a lot of MMs do it for free as a community service and as a way to get rep, rather than just as a way to make $20-30 each time. e.g. I've seen people offer it for half that. Some of them simply just want the recognition of being a valued member.

    In an exclusive community, I could see MMing being something that could even become a full time job if the price was fixed and there were few MMs. Charging by the month for the right could make it highly exclusive.

    50 native feedback to do it seems awfully high. One thing that's a big problem is that feedback isn't native. Hopefully, we'll see Trustwho adopted at all the major forums. I'm going to give Marcus some time to breath and relax before asking about how to integrate here at rpgreseller. EGS is supportive, MMObay already has it. That's a good step in the right direction.

    200 FB on EGS, that's really high. Congratulations on the achievement!

    90MM per month isn't bad at all. That's approaching the ability to just do that as a full time job if the pay is coming through. I've heard that there were some payment issues at EGS and some MMs backed out of the business.

    I knew you had a lot of experience, but not that much.
    Any feedback on how MMing ought to be done? I haven't established a system for that, and I'm still setting up the site for traffic but I believe I'll one day have a tipping point and it'll all happen... what is the ideal way to set up MM at a community like this?
    Oops let me clarify. It's $3 to verify yourself on mmobay auction site. You can sell without paying. Clicked on a few random auctions and didn't see any sellers with TW icon. See, conflict of interest. haha

    Plug for VGS haha: I was considering $1 charge on VGS, as a way to verify PP accounts like mmobay.net $3 charge but I didn't want scammers to use $1 fee as an excuse to not get verified.

    You are correct about people doing MM for free for reputation. Sythe.org was actually brought up in the thread before it was deleted.

    Integrating TW here would be great. On VGS, I will probably not integrate this though because I don't want to anyone to get too comfy. I want all my members to verify every TW member and never take anything for granted. Otherwise there may be another casles incident.

    About the 200 feedback, I had transactions for 1-2m gil to people, and those were a lot of work for not much money. haha but built pretty good relations with people. So even in my EGS prime, I was very community oriented.

    For MM forum, just copy sythe.org. You should talk to anyone there willing to talk eg admin, other MMs. Anyone willing to give feedback would be great. They may have a negative response if you're doing Runescape though.

    Basically you should have 1 MM that has an extremely high reputation for each MMO who could can get the ball rolling. Basically anyone who is willing to display their person info like this: YOU - http://rpgreseller.com/klancy/ and has all your qualifications will be fabulous.

    I actually have Middlmen Guide that I'm been working on. You might want to read some of it. http://virtualgoodsandservices.com/showthread.php?t=15

    If you can solve all the logistical problems of having MM verify & secure accounts + receive payments like Playersauction.com you will have an instant winner. Let me illustrate:

    EGS MM: Buyer/Seller posts. Wait. MM verifies PP ID. Wait. Seller PMs account info or items to MM. Wait. MM verifies items. Wait. Buyer pays seller. Wait. Seller confirms payment. Wait. MM releases account or items to buyer.

    Awesome MM: Sellers pays MM fee and sends info simultaneously to MM. Buyer pays MM fee + payment to MM. 2nd party sees post and sends payment to MM. Wait. MM releases payment and account info to respective parties.

    EGS transaction takes average 3 days while because you're dealing with 3 people with different schedules. Awesome MM transaction takes 1 hour. lol But of course you need to be able to solve all the logistical problems involved.

    There's currently 1 EGS MM and the site is littered with many complaints regarding the delay of service. Good luck with your MM service.

    PS The Recaptcha is really annoying for every post. What can I do to get rid of it? haha I know you're trying to prevent spamming, but is there another way?
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    Re: Become an mmobay middleman ONLY $100!!!!!!!

    Your wish has been granted.


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    Re: Become an mmobay middleman ONLY $100!!!!!!!

    MMObay gets first MM for WoW.

    Very nice prices.

    http://vbforums.mmobay.net/showthrea...leman-Services
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    Re: Become an mmobay middleman ONLY $100 !!!!!!!

    Toonvendor, now THAT is a middleman!
    Obviously, this guy will have established his ip2location, background search systems, etc.

    The prices seem a bit high, however it's nice to see someone of that caliber stepping up to offer security.


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    Re: Become an mmobay middleman ONLY $100!!!!!!!

    He's charging $25 the same price as EGS for his buyer's package + buyer gets a seller background check and working phone number.

    Seller's package is guaranteeing payments like Player Auctions Player Guardian so $50 isn't bad at all.

    If I were ever to do this, I'd be charging 10% for secure payments. It's risky business even for someone who is confident at verifying the other party.
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    10% is what PA charges for perfect seller protection. Which means that in order to be better than PlayerAuctions, he's going to have to only deal with sellers that have WOW accounts worth $500+. (Not many wow accounts are worth $500+)

    In the longrun, it looks like he's probably taking about a 20%+ cut of profits.
    50% on an 'average' account worth $150 would be 33% of the profit.
    Too high to be attractive or appropriate. (that's the problem with fixed fees instead of variable or scaling fee structures.)


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    They recently announced that you can middleman for free, (if you have high feedback)


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